so I'm nothing like a wolf expert. They are thought to be descended from large flock guardian dogs that were used in Asia beginning around 10,000 years ago. George: If you really think wolfs can kill all dogs then you definitely must not know about Armenian Wolfhounds or Caucasian Shepherds. Discussion in 'Mayberry Lounge' started by Cuzcatlan, Mar 29, 2013. inb4 BrokenCouch calls you a gun nut conservatard. Working dogs need to be wormed twice a year and we find that spring and fall treatments work best. Pyrs have been serving as guardians for their flocks for thousands of years. The brown bear (Ursus arctos) is a large bear species found across Eurasia and North America. But last week, while on a jaunt into the mountains north of Emmett, the 200-pound Great Pyrenees was brought down by at least one wolf. He doesn’t seem to need much of anything. They should simply feed them, pat them, befriend them and the dogs will want to hang out with the crew and guard them 24/7. mgmt.) The dog pack returned to their defensive positions, evenly distributed around the flock, all extremely serious and definitely on guard again. He enjoys the park and long walks so he can sniff everything. Great Pyrenees dogs were developed in the 15th and 16th centuries in the mountains between Spain and France to protect sheep and goats from the wolves -- … Well today my neighbor and I were walking my neighbor's Great Pyrenees was by his side, well out of nowhere this Pitbull just ran out and started growling at my neighbor. The shepherds had developed such confidence in their dog pack that they saw the bear visits (and subsequent dog explosions) as a pleasant interruption in an otherwise fairly boring day. They are all excellent, but I feel that some of these breeds are much more suitable for the job of guarding silvicultural workers than others. They can climb trees, and they are searching for food every waking minute. Although the guardian dogs seem quite gentle and laid back, they are also large, very powerful, quick and vicious animals. Jump to Latest Follow ... That certainly occurs. But at the heart of all Pyrs lies a true guardian. As a point of interest, and because it often comes up in conversations about guardian dogs, the old-as-time technique used by shepherds for bonding dogs to sheep flocks is to take a puppy from its litter just as a ewe is about to have twin lambs, then when the first lamb is born, they get her afterbirth and rub it all over the puppy. Others have Great Pyrs as working dogs. Joined: This does not take long, usually about the same amount of time that a crew takes to get their gear together before they start work. Great Pyrenees have a reputation as great livestock guardian dogs. We soon had the best equipped, best fed tree planters with the best camps, boots and raingear in the industry, and all of our camps had a camp bear dog. It helps to keep the scales balanced out around here… But in all seriousness, ahem, acquiring these puppies was not something we did lightly. Ben: That is a movie. And the breed’s name in the U.S. is Great Pyrenees. On another cut block in the Stewart area, we were visited by 8 individual grizzly bears in a one week period. You don’t really have to bother teaching them much, the guarding comes naturally, but some things that seem really obvious, I had to learn the hard way. I usually purchase mine for $400 to $600 per pup, and since they can work for about 8 or 9 years, I see them as one of the great bargains of today. Why? A large potion of the crew threatened to quit in protest over the shooting of the second bear, as he was only about half grown and had looked quite cute. Unlike many other dog-owning homes, we can't just ‘decide' to get a … He enjoys the park and long walks so he can sniff everything. He has been officially adopted! We have a 4 month old Great Pyrenees and he has already fatally injured one and yesterday he killed and viscerated another hen. Lesley jumped into the safety of the flock. Furthermore, your Pyreneese will need to learn to watch out for predators from the sky as well as from the land. I have witnessed that transformation dozens of times and it really is always a shock to experience. We work hard to socialize our pets to ensure they maintain the right to share our space in our society. We work hard to socialize our pets to ensure they maintain the right to share our space in our society. I think that it is beyond the capability of any dog to sort out the bandits from the legitimate clients in the BC forest industry. The dogs will continue patrolling the work site all day, and they really love their job. He is very hardy animal and completely happy sleeping out in the snow in mid winter. I took the camp dog to the block for a few days to deal with it. They will tell you that “they own a Great Pyrenees, but he’s not really much of a guard dog and in fact he’s a big, friendly, tail wagging goof. Almost all cougars that come so close to human civilization are young or sub adult cougars...Adult Males have huge home ranges and actively avoid where humans are. Two owners of Great Pyrenees tell about the dogs’ ability to protect poultry and other livestock. The vast majority of Great Pyrenees cannot be off-leash. DOB: March 30, 2019 This big white fluffy––Maremma maybe Retriever cross––came, Tucker is a 2 year old Great Pyrenees who is a wonderful pet. “You think you’ll react in a situation like that,” Daniel recalled, “but it happened so fast. I am now much more serious about bears and the danger they represent to us. The previous year, some tourists had stolen Tiger and taken him over the border into Alaska. With about 300 quills in the mouth, nose and throat of each dog, we had to take them all to the vet—but they would not jump up into the truck. Wolf raids, in particular, have become more commonplace: In 2005, ... komondor and Great Pyrenees were patrolling America’s rangelands in defense of livestock. He is our big baby who watches. (Definitely a serious deterrent for even the most hungry grizzly! The bears on our block did not really do anything wrong, it’s just that it was quite stressful that they were grizzly bears, that they were so big and that they were there on our worksite. The idea of shoving a giant wolf in there seems wrong like I’m spoiling a great movie. The other two are eighteenth century Great Pyrenees dogs. The bear left during the night and next morning we all just went back to our sheep veg. Things were getting fairly rough at that point, but we were young and making good money, so we continued working from daylight to dark, seven days a week, until we had planted all of the trees. Project manager Jolene Shepherd prefers a dog pack combining Great Pyrenees, Kuvasz and Maremma, with each breed bringing their particular strong points to the pack. A federal Wildlife Services trapper confirmed the wolf kill based on tracks and damage to the dog’s body. We think that we were working on a wildlife trail between the valley and the alpine pastures. Pyrenees Myth #1: “They are so big!” I know they look big. The other two are eighteenth century Great Pyrenees dogs. Efforts to trap and kill the wolf are underway. About one month later, two of us went back with five dogs, finished the job, got Ben’s shovel and all was fine. The biggest wolves on earth live in … I believe that nobody should be asked to work in silviculture in the forests of BC without a guard dog, and that livestock guardian dogs should be accepted as a standard silvicultural tool on all BC reforestation projects. I have seen some Pyrenees guarding sheep flocks on the prairies, while living completely “off the land”, catching and eating gofers, mice and rabbits. We all like him so we keep him.” I hear that story often and then I try to explain that their dog has never had reason to show his tough side, so they have never seen that side of him, but should someone or something threaten to harm the family, that dog would instantly transform into one powerful, ferocious animal that will never back off. I believe the secret to success is for you to have not just one wolf defense dog, but a pack of dogs. To keep your Great Pyrenees in, and to keep other animals out, fences should be high (five feet), with wire sunk … Though these are intelligent dogs, this independent streak may make training slightly more difficult. Lying down. So of course many of us have given the Pitbull a reputation of being the best fighting dog and Pitbulls are known to take out any known dog breed in a dogfight. It was terrifying. George: If you really think wolfs can kill all dogs then you definitely must not know about Armenian Wolfhounds or Caucasian Shepherds. It was a territorial dispute, and the Pyrenees were brothers who had decided to kill the Kuvasz. A pyr’s coat is remarkable in that it keeps him warm in the winter and cool in the summer.. It’s best to avoid that kind of distraction from his job. A federal Wildlife Services trapper confirmed the wolf kill based on tracks and damage to the dog’s body. Great Pyrenees are big. Grooming is a must. They are very fast (much faster than you), very strong (they can kill a moose), silent, and invisible (they can sneak up and catch a deer, which is all ears and eyes). He could have though the Corgi was an intruder. The BC silviculture industry lost another good man to bears. It will usually leave as quickly as it can. I think this dog is great. The vast majority of Great Pyrenees cannot be off-leash. The grizzly was right there, sprinting straight at him, almost on top of him. Great Pyrenees don’t have much use for training. Some of us have Great Pyrenees Mountain Dogs as pets. Is it safe to neuter a 5-year old male? However, things were still not perfect regarding bears. Warning shots did not work either. Suddenly, right at the perfect place for an ambush (a switch back with a steep drop off on one side), a large, predatory grizzly charged into the rear of the flock—determined to get a sheep. The saying goes: an off-leash pyr is a disapyr. contracts in the McBride area, we were visited by a different black bear every day for 39. consecutive days. contractor using approximately 6,000 sheep per year. The camp cooks demanded that the bear dog stay in camp, and so the planters themselves were still exposed to potential bear attack. Great Pyrenees are large dogs, with females weighing 85 pounds and up and males weighing 100 pounds or more. The ewe will lick it clean and care for it. I have removed her from the goat herd and I plan to find a pet home for her. I think that the most prestigious brands and top-of-the-line formulas are overrated and too expensive, while the cheaper stuff (as with all low bids) is usually low on product and high on filler—leaving you with more dog turds for somebody to clean up later. Finally, you can avoid some negative traits by training your Great Pyrenees to respect you and by following the 11-step care program in my book, 11 Things You Must Do Right To Keep Your Dog Healthy and Happy. She has never been with goats but has been with cows. She is pregnant and I … I was totally unprepared for the size of them, despite the numerous bear movies and documentaries I had seen, plus all of the previous bear experiences of my more than 30 years of bush work. Then, one of his pack mates mouthed off about his bad hair cut and a major dog fight exploded. We have always worked way out in the boonies and we have taken more sheep further out bush than anybody in Canadian history. He is a powerful, fast runner and he charges the bear immediately upon detecting it. 7 months ago. The bears hung around every day and night, despite the huge slash fire that we kept burning. She killed two of my baby goats. Animal aggression. Then it started to rain and our cheap boots and raingear fell apart. Training. Here is the story of a family pet that defended its family against a Bear attack. Minutes later, the flock reached the open block. Livestock guardian dogs have evolved over about 5,000 years of selective breeding and ruthless culling. It does not have to be so. They are smart enough to know that humans are bad news. That was about 20 years ago, and since then, we’ve seen plenty of wolves in the yard, as well as a deer kill they made near the house. This painting "La Chasse au Loup" by Jean-Baptiste Oudry (1746). Efforts to trap and kill the wolf are underway. I don't agree that a bobcat would kill a wolf that was 3x its size though. But last week, while on a jaunt into the mountains north of Emmett, the 200-pound Great Pyrenees was brought down by at least one wolf. Obviously those two grizzlies knew that they were the kings of the forest. Great Pyrenees are adults at 1 year of age but can take up to 2 years to mature. I've always thought it was interesting that… There's a video on YouTube of a mountain lion killing a wolf in about 10 seconds. The vet examined him, then asked, “Did the driver of the truck stop after running over him?” We explained that it was a dog fight that only lasted seconds and that we were right there and had witnessed the whole thing. The obvious lesson I learned was that I needed more dogs, one for camp and others for the work sites. Don’t keep food in your tent, don’t go up to them for a better photo, and do trust your “sixth sense”: if you feel like you are in danger, you probably are. We believe that our sheep are safer from predation when they are out bush with us and guarded by livestock guardian dogs than they would be at home in most Canadian sheep farmers’ fields. The Great Pyrenees Club of America asserts that the Great Pyrenees is a lupomossoloid, descended from wolves without the influence of mastiff, or mossoloid, dogs. He is a low metabolism animal and so he eats about the same amount of food as an average sized dog. When all of the Pyrenees dogs that we have owned and raised lye down, they flop down loud and hard every time. Later, a movie crew filmed a documentary for the television program Dogs With Jobs featuring “Tiger: Bear Dog,” which showed in 63 countries. Now it’s simply a matter of choosing the best tool for the job. Young Great Pyrenees (up to about three years old) romp and jump with great vigor, and things can go flying, including people. They put one dog on the puma once the dog gets hurt they send another dog. It also needs mentioning that the shepherds have four Australian Kelpie sheep herding dogs per flock. He was almost dead on arrival but we told the vet to hit him with everything that he had and try his best to save him. A dog pack combining both Great Pyrenees and Kuvasz works wonderfully, but the Kuvasz loves to patrol a very large area and so is harder to keep at home during the off season. Sherdog.com is a property of Mandatory Media, LLC, monitoring_string = "5200e30beed193e5fe31f8bccc2bdcbf". Meanwhile, in downtown Hyder (only 100 km from our work site) a grizzly killed and partially ate a man behind the pub. Otherwise, it is too easy for them to seriously hurt or even kill a small, unsuspecting dog. I feel that the speech is always worthwhile anyway. I believe that the added safety that guardian dogs bring to the work site increases crew productivity, which helps to offset some of the costs of purchasing and maintaining the dogs. They must have drugged the wolves. When he neared the tree line, he was charged by a large black bear. But they are opportunists, always looking for an easy meal (like the candy and cookies hidden in your tent). The Komondor is also a large and very serious guardian dog breed. (Don’t think the dogs are afraid to bite the bear, but rather that this is their strategy: be as intimidating and as big a hassle as possible, and chase the bear away without harming it.) More traits and characteristics of the Great Pyrenees. Thank you. A dog sees a running screaming kid as doing what humans do (although it makes no sense, hey, they are family) but a wolf sees a running screaming child as prey. They also need to be vaccinated annually. The article provides great insight into the lives of Great Pyrs as livestock guardian dogs. It took two people to load them, which meant two lost man-days as both shepherds had to go to town and physically carry three 150-pound dogs into and out of the vet clinic. We feed our dogs once per day and always before we eat our supper. Tiger put a stop to that about half way through the shearing process. 150lb Great Pyrenees kill by young cougar. They got too close and got a few quills each. People ate dog for most of that time and it is only recently that man could afford to feed large, non-productive, pet dogs. A little history, if you know the Great Pyrenees, you know it is a French dog, and in the beginning over two decades, over 20 years ago, we had imported Great Pyrenees from an old and established kennel. Yes, livestock guardian dog breeds, such as Great Pyrenees and Akbash, can both protect livestock during the day and live in the home during the night. Anne, our trainer, assessed him to be fearful of other dogs but with work, I have a 5-month-old Mel great Pyrenees named Koda. They were in good condition and doing just fine. Some of us have Great Pyrenees Mountain Dogs as pets. Great Pyrenees fend off timberwolf pack and kill one of them… Turkish kangal are called specialised wolf killers in their homeland… We were able to get our shepherds crooks hooked onto the collars of the two Pyrenees, and we pulled them off of the Kuvasz. Since bears are opportunists looking for an easy meal, when they encounter the dogs, it usually doesn’t take them long to decide that they are better off eating berries and fish or something that represents less hassle. Plus with their reflexes, and agility you know they'd be the first one to get to the vital points. The pups are an LDG cross – primarily Great Pyrenees. When training livestock guardian dogs to guard your workers against bear attack, it really is not as complicated as most people would think. Out flies a guinea guarding her keets and flying right at my head with all claws out. Girls were chased off of the block three times over a two-day period. No sooner had they arrived than the bear attacked yet again, charging straight up the road towards where shepherd girl Lesley was frozen in fear. These dogs like having quiet time in the house and enjoy a predictable, orderly routine. Pyrs have been serving as guardians for their flocks for thousands of years. One male and one female. They were used for these reasons in the past while herding animals and some were used for hunting bears and yes even lions which can kill a wolf easily. One example I witnessed was a dog fight between two mature male Great Pyrenees guardian dogs and a large mature male Hungarian Kuvasz. On one of our sheep veg. Firstly, guardian dogs want to guard you, they can’t help it, that’s their strongest instinct. In fact, my husband and I stood on the deck and yelled at it until it slowly sauntered off. A ferocious pastoral war over the reconquest, or repopulation, of France by large wild animals has entered a new phase – or two. They looked and behaved like two big bulls. We make a great distinction between the two and expect different behaviours based on the role. work was in the Stewart area of BC, which is famous for its high grizzly and black bear populations. Even among the Gray wolves of western North America and Eurasia, there is a great variation in size. Most of our dogs come to us from kill shelters around the Central Texas, South Texas and Greater Houston area. Not less than two dogs, and 3-6 being even better. I’ve used Great Pyrenees dogs to guard my commercial Boer Goat farm, poultry (egg) farm, and horse training/shoeing facility for decades. He weighed about 150 pounds and was one of our best dogs, so we quickly made a “bush stretcher” out of two long sticks and our sweatshirts and carried him to the truck. ), In the case of silvicultural workers, I think that one livestock guardian dog per plantation would do the job, but a pair would be much better. A wolf can chew and consume bone and its bite force alone can kill any dog with a single attack. The grey wolf is a highly adaptive animal found in all kinds of terrain. Things got crazy at that point as I had completely misjudged how many animal rights activists I had employed. Most owners shear them annually. They must have drugged the wolves. Let's leave our livestock guardian dogs and go home. Please help us reduce their misery. They kill wolves and they kill … Wolves inhabit forests, deserts, mountains, tundras, grasslands and even urban areas with the wolf being a particularly dominant and ruthless predator within it's environment. More traits and characteristics of the Great Pyrenees. The author lost the great Pyrenees mix in There have been several times that I’ve seen their floofy booties happily trotting off. Well, that’s contracting. They kill wolves and they kill … The puppy accepts that the lambs are his new litter mates and grows up with them. Within seconds the other guardian dogs arrived to help Tiger. The whole fight lasted seconds, but already my Kuvasz was clearly dying. Kangals have been known to kill bobcats. Otherwise, it is too easy for them to seriously hurt or even kill a small, unsuspecting dog. I remember when Apache (mix Anatolian/Chow/Lab/Wolf) was still alive and walking with me in the pasture. “Free feeding” works well in the off season, but not during the work season, because the dog will often be preoccupied with guarding his food bowl against his fellow pack members. 150lb Great Pyrenees kill by young cougar. I really like and so recommend the Great Pyrenees for the job. When the second lamb is born, they put the puppy beside the newborn lamb when the ewe is not looking and (usually) she can be tricked into thinking that she gave birth to the puppy. The dogs were able to drive the bear back into the forest and the dog pack took up their defensive positions all around the flock again. Supervise your boy when he is with the birds. The Club once again thanks Mr. Dennis Loxton, the Western Silvicultural Contractors' Association and BC Forest Safety Council for granting express permission to reproduce this article for the benefit of visitors to our site. The only thing I can think of that might put the fear of death and destruction into 15-20 200-pound wolves single-handed, and on a regular basis, would be a Marlin Model 1895, .45-70.loaded with Buffalo Bore or Garret Cartridge Co's best medium weight bullets. In contrast to the Great Pyrenees, the Karakachan dog of Bulgaria has been known to chase a wolf away from the flock for nearly a mile and a half. The cooks were angry with me for taking the dog to the block, and demanded “their” dog back. Some Pyrenees can be overly aggressive, especially with strange dogs and other animals. Lots of our sheep veg. So leave. Needless to say, we were fairly feral by the time the helicopter came. However, a good brush is necessary to pull out the dead undercoat that can prevent proper air circulation. Then we went further north and saw the size of the northern grizzlies, and encountered packs of 12 wolves. Fair enough—how could they? They could simply attach themselves to a dog, and they wouldn't be able to move if they were fully dug in. They vary in color from pure white to pure black and every shade of brown and gray inbetween. Her projects have never had a sheep killed by a predator, so it makes sense to me. Discussion in 'Mayberry Lounge' started by Cuzcatlan, ... And still if forced to fight a big alpha male wolf (with that look in teh eyes lol) will probably kill them And the chances that a wolf have against a mountain lion are very low. We are an all volunteer, not-for-profit, rescue group dedicated to the rescue, rehabilitation and re-homing of Great Pyrenees dogs whose lives are in danger. Dogo Argentinos were bred for big game hunting. The Great Pyrenees is a big dog with an equally big heart. S and H) in case bears came. Training. We did not want to be there, but the client threatened us with contract termination if we refused to do that block. A hawk can take a chicken before your Pyrenees can notice if … The Pyrenees is more of a “big bruiser,” than an athlete, with a deep, powerful voice. caught up in then and form a type of natural fang proof armor. Most dogs will guard you against bears, but livestock guardian dogs will guard you better. 150lb Great Pyrenees kill by young cougar. Everybody felt foolish. The dog’s attack deflected the bear’s charge off to the side of the road, and almost certainly saved my son’s life. The idea of the dreadlocks is that they mat together, get sticks etc. They had eaten about half of our food and we were on strict rations thereafter. I think this dog is great. The Kuvasz is also a very impressive dog, but more of an athlete, burning up more energy and so eating more food. Great Pyrenees Dog Attack Case Settled for $1 Million A Colorado woman was the recipient of a $1 million settlement earlier this month in a dog attack case. The Great Pyrenees breed, (as you know) was bred as a guardian dog. I have been a silvicultural contractor for 34 years (17 years tree planting contracting, employing 100 to 200 planters per year, and 17 years as a sheep vegetation management (sheep veg. Another huge battle erupted and the dogs chased the bear back into the forest again. However, they never show that side of their character unless the situation requires that response. Most of all, the contractor (me) felt particularly foolish, since the total bill for the event (wages, vet, truck etc) was over $1,000. All of the neighbor’s kids love him, babies hang on his tail and ride him, but he wouldn’t harm a fly. The BC tree planting industry quickly became the world leader in high quality, high production reforestation, employing thousands of young Canadians. According to the Great Pyrenees Club of America, The Great Pyrenees is one of the ancient livestock guardian breeds. Yodel was right about the Great Pyrenees being bred a herd and home guardians. Socialization from an early age is essential. Lol, I've been through that song and dance with him before. They certainly were not fed or used for breeding. Last edited: Mar 30, 2013. insomniatric, Mar 30, 2013 #63. Nothing had really happened—except that I got another reminder of the vulnerability of all silvicultural workers, and of my own mortality. They always seem happy and friendly, but underneath all of that tail wagging and smiling is a big, serious dog. I lost patience with the whole situation and shot that bear.
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